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	<title>Comments on: Black Death (2010) &#8211; The Appeal of a Well-Ordered Universe</title>
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		<title>By: Film Log For The First Half of 2010 &#171; Ruthless Culture</title>
		<link>http://ruthlessculture.com/2010/06/13/black-death-2010-the-appeal-of-a-well-ordered-universe/#comment-1433</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Film Log For The First Half of 2010 &#171; Ruthless Culture]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Black Death (2010) [Ruthless Culture]  : Great film.  British Horror from the director of Triangle, it’s essentially a revisitation [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Black Death (2010) [Ruthless Culture]  : Great film.  British Horror from the director of Triangle, it’s essentially a revisitation [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
		<link>http://ruthlessculture.com/2010/06/13/black-death-2010-the-appeal-of-a-well-ordered-universe/#comment-1370</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Cairnduff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The occupation and the war I definitely grant, it was more the Holocaust that I was balking at.  That said, I know Camus much better than I know Sartre and I definitely defer to your knowledge on him.

The Frankfurt school there is a certain logic as you note.

As for that book, write it and I will read it.  It&#039;s a fascinating topic, I think in many ways Camus and Sartre condensed something already in the air, gave it form and substance but fiction was already exploring it.

In fact, and this is a massive tangent, the failure for me of current British fiction is its failure to be in the vanguard of exploring new thought.  That&#039;s not a problem they had in the &#039;20s and &#039;30s (among many other periods, but there&#039;s dry spells as well as wet and I think we&#039;re in a dry one).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The occupation and the war I definitely grant, it was more the Holocaust that I was balking at.  That said, I know Camus much better than I know Sartre and I definitely defer to your knowledge on him.</p>
<p>The Frankfurt school there is a certain logic as you note.</p>
<p>As for that book, write it and I will read it.  It&#8217;s a fascinating topic, I think in many ways Camus and Sartre condensed something already in the air, gave it form and substance but fiction was already exploring it.</p>
<p>In fact, and this is a massive tangent, the failure for me of current British fiction is its failure to be in the vanguard of exploring new thought.  That&#8217;s not a problem they had in the &#8217;20s and &#8217;30s (among many other periods, but there&#8217;s dry spells as well as wet and I think we&#8217;re in a dry one).</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan McCalmont</title>
		<link>http://ruthlessculture.com/2010/06/13/black-death-2010-the-appeal-of-a-well-ordered-universe/#comment-1369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan McCalmont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max -- I did undeniably ignore the entre-guerres existentialists.  In fact, I think that there&#039;s a book to be written about the role of existentialism in the pulp/genre fiction of precisely that period... Hmm.


As for Camus and Sartre, I actually do think that they are both products of the Second World War.  Camus&#039; best work post-dates it and even The Outsider was the product of the occupation.  As for Sartre, there&#039;s a world of difference in tone between La Nausee (pre-war) and No Exit (written during occupation) as well as between Being and Nothingness (pre-war) and stuff like Existentialism is a Humanism (post-war).

The Frankfurt School was all about the Holocaust but then the Frankfurt School was almost entirely composed of Jewish socialists...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max &#8212; I did undeniably ignore the entre-guerres existentialists.  In fact, I think that there&#8217;s a book to be written about the role of existentialism in the pulp/genre fiction of precisely that period&#8230; Hmm.</p>
<p>As for Camus and Sartre, I actually do think that they are both products of the Second World War.  Camus&#8217; best work post-dates it and even The Outsider was the product of the occupation.  As for Sartre, there&#8217;s a world of difference in tone between La Nausee (pre-war) and No Exit (written during occupation) as well as between Being and Nothingness (pre-war) and stuff like Existentialism is a Humanism (post-war).</p>
<p>The Frankfurt School was all about the Holocaust but then the Frankfurt School was almost entirely composed of Jewish socialists&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A.R.Yngve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.R.Yngve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an idea I&#039;d like to try once: A religious &quot;gospel&quot; movie that presents a religion which does not exist, but is made as if everyone involved in the production believed in the non-existent religion without questioning it -- with a straight face.

Imagine a movie like, say, KING OF KINGS or JESUS OF NAZARETH but instead of Jesus it is centered around something like The Flying Spaghetti Monster (to make a crude example).

The interesting part would be to see how the audience reacted: How many of them would actually start to take this non-existent religion seriously, if it were presented as a serious faith?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea I&#8217;d like to try once: A religious &#8220;gospel&#8221; movie that presents a religion which does not exist, but is made as if everyone involved in the production believed in the non-existent religion without questioning it &#8212; with a straight face.</p>
<p>Imagine a movie like, say, KING OF KINGS or JESUS OF NAZARETH but instead of Jesus it is centered around something like The Flying Spaghetti Monster (to make a crude example).</p>
<p>The interesting part would be to see how the audience reacted: How many of them would actually start to take this non-existent religion seriously, if it were presented as a serious faith?</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
		<link>http://ruthlessculture.com/2010/06/13/black-death-2010-the-appeal-of-a-well-ordered-universe/#comment-1367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Cairnduff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By way of addendum, They Shoot Horses, Don&#039;t they? is 1935.  Noir too I&#039;d argue is essentially a dramatisation of existentialism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By way of addendum, They Shoot Horses, Don&#8217;t they? is 1935.  Noir too I&#8217;d argue is essentially a dramatisation of existentialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
		<link>http://ruthlessculture.com/2010/06/13/black-death-2010-the-appeal-of-a-well-ordered-universe/#comment-1366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Cairnduff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Existentialism became well known after the second world war, but Camus was writing in that vein while the war was yet on.  Caligula though performed after the war was written in 1938.

Nausea is also 1938, Being and Nothingness 1943, I&#039;m not sure your chronology works there Jonathan.  

Without the Holocaust it&#039;s quite possible their work wouldn&#039;t have received the attention it did, but that doesn&#039;t make it a causal link.  

I&#039;d also suggest that existentialist thought is fairly common in the popular fiction of the 1930s, although generally without then a neat label (that came later).  On the pulp side there&#039;s obviously Lovecraft and Howard, but more interestingly and with greater literary success there&#039;s Chandler.  Existentialism to varying degrees is present in all their works.  I think a fair argument could be made that hardboiled fiction is only possible because of existentialism, that it&#039;s a response and dramatisation of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Existentialism became well known after the second world war, but Camus was writing in that vein while the war was yet on.  Caligula though performed after the war was written in 1938.</p>
<p>Nausea is also 1938, Being and Nothingness 1943, I&#8217;m not sure your chronology works there Jonathan.  </p>
<p>Without the Holocaust it&#8217;s quite possible their work wouldn&#8217;t have received the attention it did, but that doesn&#8217;t make it a causal link.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also suggest that existentialist thought is fairly common in the popular fiction of the 1930s, although generally without then a neat label (that came later).  On the pulp side there&#8217;s obviously Lovecraft and Howard, but more interestingly and with greater literary success there&#8217;s Chandler.  Existentialism to varying degrees is present in all their works.  I think a fair argument could be made that hardboiled fiction is only possible because of existentialism, that it&#8217;s a response and dramatisation of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan M</title>
		<link>http://ruthlessculture.com/2010/06/13/black-death-2010-the-appeal-of-a-well-ordered-universe/#comment-1365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AR --

  With Bergman&#039;s trilogy in the middle :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR &#8211;</p>
<p>  With Bergman&#8217;s trilogy in the middle :-)</p>
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		<title>By: A.R.Yngve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.R.Yngve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what I&#039;d like to see? A film festival on the theme of faith.

It could start with BLACK DEATH and end with LIFE OF BRIAN.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I&#8217;d like to see? A film festival on the theme of faith.</p>
<p>It could start with BLACK DEATH and end with LIFE OF BRIAN.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a brilliant film.  Same bloke who directed Triangle, which was also awesome.

It was only showing at two cinemas in London sadly and with no marketing push at all.  Really disappointing release actually.  Make a note of it though, well worth checking out when it comes out on DVD (which I suspect will not be long given current distribution trends... the cinema screenings are more of a focal point for DVD roll-out than a serious attempt to find an audience for a film).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a brilliant film.  Same bloke who directed Triangle, which was also awesome.</p>
<p>It was only showing at two cinemas in London sadly and with no marketing push at all.  Really disappointing release actually.  Make a note of it though, well worth checking out when it comes out on DVD (which I suspect will not be long given current distribution trends&#8230; the cinema screenings are more of a focal point for DVD roll-out than a serious attempt to find an audience for a film).</p>
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		<title>By: ShaunCG</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ShaunCG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Disappointingly none of the cinemas in Brighton are showing this - I&#039;d have to travel to London or Basingstoke to see it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disappointingly none of the cinemas in Brighton are showing this &#8211; I&#8217;d have to travel to London or Basingstoke to see it.</p>
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